I bought these discounted as a factory second from 1620 to try out and see if they will work for me as a railroad conductor. My clothes get pretty thrashed climbing up and down on RR cars and ballast all day. The pants feel durable, however they hemmed them too long even though I specifically requested 32 inseam. For the price I paid, I expected this to be correct. I was given the option of sending them back to be corrected or taking the pantsto be corrected and they will reimburse me the cost with store credit. So basically they have given me more work to do. This is my fifth item I have purchased from 1620 and probably my last. I have had minor quality control issues and pulled stiching in some of the hoodies I purchased. Bottom line, I don't like being disappointed at any price but particularly not at a premium.